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		<title>By: Mindet</title>
		<link>http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/06/the-bothand-of-the-porn-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-38213</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon re-reading the above, I want to clarify that the inverted commas around the word &quot;advocates&quot; is intended to signify the detrimental effect of the described attitude on the person&#039;s ability to be a proper advocate.  I didn&#039;t mean that there are no true advocates, because there are.

I&#039;m not sure pro- and anti-porn are terms that can apply to people without absolutist &quot;all bad&quot; or &quot;all good&quot; positions.  Perhaps pro- or anti-censorship would make more sense, although, as noted, the debate doesn&#039;t seem to have matured to that degree yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon re-reading the above, I want to clarify that the inverted commas around the word &#8220;advocates&#8221; is intended to signify the detrimental effect of the described attitude on the person&#8217;s ability to be a proper advocate.  I didn&#8217;t mean that there are no true advocates, because there are.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure pro- and anti-porn are terms that can apply to people without absolutist &#8220;all bad&#8221; or &#8220;all good&#8221; positions.  Perhaps pro- or anti-censorship would make more sense, although, as noted, the debate doesn&#8217;t seem to have matured to that degree yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindet</title>
		<link>http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/06/the-bothand-of-the-porn-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-38211</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I was going to write pretty much this article, and I find you&#039;ve beaten me to it!

I think the anti-porn push is greater in America than it is here in the UK, probably due to our comparative lack of a religious lobby on that specific issue.  Perhaps that is why, in my experience, the greater vitriol comes from pro-porn &quot;advocates&quot;, who continually insist that if someone does not enjoy watching other people have sex, they must not enjoy *anything* about sex *at all*, even having it themselves.  The construction of not enjoying pornography as somehow being &quot;anti-sex&quot; is horrific and abusive, and I think anyone advocating for the harmlessness of porn for many people needs to make sure to steer clear of it.

Sadly the UK has gone down the prohibition route in recent years, because it pleases the reactionary mainstream press.  The Government has yet to understand the benefits of legalise+regulate in any area of policy.

Anyway, great read, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I was going to write pretty much this article, and I find you&#8217;ve beaten me to it!</p>
<p>I think the anti-porn push is greater in America than it is here in the UK, probably due to our comparative lack of a religious lobby on that specific issue.  Perhaps that is why, in my experience, the greater vitriol comes from pro-porn &#8220;advocates&#8221;, who continually insist that if someone does not enjoy watching other people have sex, they must not enjoy *anything* about sex *at all*, even having it themselves.  The construction of not enjoying pornography as somehow being &#8220;anti-sex&#8221; is horrific and abusive, and I think anyone advocating for the harmlessness of porn for many people needs to make sure to steer clear of it.</p>
<p>Sadly the UK has gone down the prohibition route in recent years, because it pleases the reactionary mainstream press.  The Government has yet to understand the benefits of legalise+regulate in any area of policy.</p>
<p>Anyway, great read, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: bubbles</title>
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		<dc:creator>bubbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 12:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think on average sexually aggressive men are likely to watch more cage-fighting too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think on average sexually aggressive men are likely to watch more cage-fighting too.</p>
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		<title>By: Breaking Pornography&#8217;s Fourth Wall: Erotic satisfaction as a function of gaze &#171; Maybe Maimed but Never Harmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breaking Pornography&#8217;s Fourth Wall: Erotic satisfaction as a function of gaze &#171; Maybe Maimed but Never Harmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pornographers producing &#8220;male gaze&#8221; iconography. Rejecting this false dichotomy—adopting a both/and mindset—offers both emotional comfort (in validating common gaze-dysphoric experiences) and a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pornographers producing &#8220;male gaze&#8221; iconography. Rejecting this false dichotomy—adopting a both/and mindset—offers both emotional comfort (in validating common gaze-dysphoric experiences) and a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Glamour wants to know if you’re normal about porn. So are you? &#171; clips, clips, clips.</title>
		<link>http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/06/the-bothand-of-the-porn-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-5569</link>
		<dc:creator>Glamour wants to know if you’re normal about porn. So are you? &#171; clips, clips, clips.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] aggression and while one study found a correlation between the two, blogger Charlie Glickman points out, ”We need to be very clear that correlation is not causation- there’s no way to tell from this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] aggression and while one study found a correlation between the two, blogger Charlie Glickman points out, ”We need to be very clear that correlation is not causation- there’s no way to tell from this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Glamour wants to know if you&#8217;re normal about porn. So are you? &#124; Women's Interviews - The Daily Femme</title>
		<link>http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/06/the-bothand-of-the-porn-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-5545</link>
		<dc:creator>Glamour wants to know if you&#8217;re normal about porn. So are you? &#124; Women's Interviews - The Daily Femme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] aggression and while one study found a correlation between the two, blogger Charlie Glickman points out, &#8221;We need to be very clear that correlation is not causation- there’s no way to tell from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] aggression and while one study found a correlation between the two, blogger Charlie Glickman points out, &#8221;We need to be very clear that correlation is not causation- there’s no way to tell from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find retired porn stars to be fascinating examples of the anti-porn argument. Some will retire claiming the business was terrible and degrading, yet often return to it or retract their previous condemnation. From a psychological perspective, I am fascinated by the internal struggle sex workers often experience in coming to terms with their jobs. Linda Lovelace, Jenna Jameson, Bella Donna, have all spoken out at one point or another about the ways in which the porn industry has taken advantage of them. Yet, at the same time, they are captivated, supported by and drawn to that line of work for reasons they may not fully understand.

I agree with Charlie that both pro and anti pornography arguments have many valid points that deserve our attention, and it is important to note that sexual desires and the ethical mind often send our minds two different signals. On one hand, I feel that the more pornography is accepted into the American Zeitgeist, the less guilt and shame we&#039;ll suffer and the better off we&#039;ll all be. On the other hand, I see that allowing a place for sex-positive, feminist pornography to thrive, also means allowing a place for pornography that may objectify and degrade women. The line between them is often blurred and hard to define, and may challenge how comfortable we feel with the ethics of our own sexuality. Personal accounts of these struggles are what inspired my interest in the psychology of human sexuality and pushed me through college with a fascination for the diversity of the human experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find retired porn stars to be fascinating examples of the anti-porn argument. Some will retire claiming the business was terrible and degrading, yet often return to it or retract their previous condemnation. From a psychological perspective, I am fascinated by the internal struggle sex workers often experience in coming to terms with their jobs. Linda Lovelace, Jenna Jameson, Bella Donna, have all spoken out at one point or another about the ways in which the porn industry has taken advantage of them. Yet, at the same time, they are captivated, supported by and drawn to that line of work for reasons they may not fully understand.</p>
<p>I agree with Charlie that both pro and anti pornography arguments have many valid points that deserve our attention, and it is important to note that sexual desires and the ethical mind often send our minds two different signals. On one hand, I feel that the more pornography is accepted into the American Zeitgeist, the less guilt and shame we&#8217;ll suffer and the better off we&#8217;ll all be. On the other hand, I see that allowing a place for sex-positive, feminist pornography to thrive, also means allowing a place for pornography that may objectify and degrade women. The line between them is often blurred and hard to define, and may challenge how comfortable we feel with the ethics of our own sexuality. Personal accounts of these struggles are what inspired my interest in the psychology of human sexuality and pushed me through college with a fascination for the diversity of the human experience.</p>
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		<title>By: porn: the giraffe of the sexually explicit media world &#171; Emily Nagoski :: sex nerd ::</title>
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		<dc:creator>porn: the giraffe of the sexually explicit media world &#171; Emily Nagoski :: sex nerd ::</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 11:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (Charlie Glickman offers a nice summary of some of the problems with how research on porn and violence gets discussed.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (Charlie Glickman offers a nice summary of some of the problems with how research on porn and violence gets discussed.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mädchenmannschaft &#187; Blog Archive &#187; abnormal und so</title>
		<link>http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/06/the-bothand-of-the-porn-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-2087</link>
		<dc:creator>Mädchenmannschaft &#187; Blog Archive &#187; abnormal und so</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 07:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gedanken zur Pornodebatte macht sich Charlie Glickman. Warum aber muss er dazu eine Studie von vor zehn Jahren hervor kramen? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gedanken zur Pornodebatte macht sich Charlie Glickman. Warum aber muss er dazu eine Studie von vor zehn Jahren hervor kramen? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;ve written about exactly that issue &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.charlieglickman.com/2009/04/porn-expectations/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.charlieglickman.com/2009/04/porn-expectations-part-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. That particular topic wasn&#039;t really germane to this post, and I totally agree with you- porn is terrible sex ed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve written about exactly that issue <a href="http://www.charlieglickman.com/2009/04/porn-expectations/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.charlieglickman.com/2009/04/porn-expectations-part-2/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. That particular topic wasn&#8217;t really germane to this post, and I totally agree with you- porn is terrible sex ed.</p>
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