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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/07/7-ways-to-create-a-sex-positive-critique-of-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-60256</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ultrahedonist- yes to all of those things!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ultrahedonist- yes to all of those things!!!</p>
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		<title>By: ultrahedonist</title>
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		<dc:creator>ultrahedonist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I’m in near complete agreement with everything you’ve written, Charlie, about disgust and sex-negativity in Dines et al’s work, and on the need for more and better sexuality education. And I like your effort to come up with some pre-requisites for a sex-positive debate on porn. I wish anti-porn campaigners would take them on board… because I’d rather be part of an inclusive, intellectually honest and sex-positive discussion about problems in porn than feeling I have to be on the defence team for something that I don’t even particularly like.

And to your great list I would add that (although it’s related to what is in there already):

(1) we would be consciously inclusive of human sexual diversity and mindful of not alienating or inadvertently stigmatizing sexual minorities through our critique

(2) we would not speak about porn users as though they were all cisgender heterosexual men, making other users invisible

(3) we would research and discuss, but not make assumptions about, the relationships between the porn people watch and their attitudes, beliefs and sexual practices

(4) we would acknowledge that no human sexuality does, has ever, or could ever exist outside of a cultural context, and would therefore avoid grounding our arguments in assumptions about some natural, essential sexuality and, related to that

(5) we wouldn’t make the sexist assumption that women do/should only enjoy soft, loving, affectionate types of sex.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I’m in near complete agreement with everything you’ve written, Charlie, about disgust and sex-negativity in Dines et al’s work, and on the need for more and better sexuality education. And I like your effort to come up with some pre-requisites for a sex-positive debate on porn. I wish anti-porn campaigners would take them on board… because I’d rather be part of an inclusive, intellectually honest and sex-positive discussion about problems in porn than feeling I have to be on the defence team for something that I don’t even particularly like.</p>
<p>And to your great list I would add that (although it’s related to what is in there already):</p>
<p>(1) we would be consciously inclusive of human sexual diversity and mindful of not alienating or inadvertently stigmatizing sexual minorities through our critique</p>
<p>(2) we would not speak about porn users as though they were all cisgender heterosexual men, making other users invisible</p>
<p>(3) we would research and discuss, but not make assumptions about, the relationships between the porn people watch and their attitudes, beliefs and sexual practices</p>
<p>(4) we would acknowledge that no human sexuality does, has ever, or could ever exist outside of a cultural context, and would therefore avoid grounding our arguments in assumptions about some natural, essential sexuality and, related to that</p>
<p>(5) we wouldn’t make the sexist assumption that women do/should only enjoy soft, loving, affectionate types of sex.<br />
 <img src='http://www.charlieglickman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: I&#8217;ve been trying to read Pornland by Gail Dines &#171; Spinster Zine</title>
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		<dc:creator>I&#8217;ve been trying to read Pornland by Gail Dines &#171; Spinster Zine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 04:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] really great stuff on his blog and I really like his writings on Dines. He had this to say in his 7 ways to create a sex-positive critique of porn:  So why do I think that Dines’ strategies are sex-negative? Because she deliberately works to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] really great stuff on his blog and I really like his writings on Dines. He had this to say in his 7 ways to create a sex-positive critique of porn:  So why do I think that Dines’ strategies are sex-negative? Because she deliberately works to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There needs to be better access to reliable sex instruction, absolutely. I don&#039;t think I would want porn holding that water, though; it would render porn unique among all human arts for being responsible for the soundness of the fantasies it portrays.

A politics here alarms me; we don&#039;t ask, in any other genre or medium, for artists to portray edifying fantasies, and I&#039;m nervous about the consequences of porn producers to do so. Not only does it set up a good porn/bad porn dynamic--a great boon for those seeking to narrow sexual expression--but it creates a new aesthetic space where it&#039;s no longer enough to create the most compelling performance possible. I can only imagine the whirlwind of requirements that &quot;good&quot; porn producers would eventually be asked to fulfill, above and beyond merely making good film.

I welcome what you&#039;re trying to accomplish, but I&#039;m just too suspicious of an approach that would likely be interpreted in bad faith as an invitation to self-censorship, and worse.

P.S.: The blog is amazing. Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There needs to be better access to reliable sex instruction, absolutely. I don&#8217;t think I would want porn holding that water, though; it would render porn unique among all human arts for being responsible for the soundness of the fantasies it portrays.</p>
<p>A politics here alarms me; we don&#8217;t ask, in any other genre or medium, for artists to portray edifying fantasies, and I&#8217;m nervous about the consequences of porn producers to do so. Not only does it set up a good porn/bad porn dynamic&#8211;a great boon for those seeking to narrow sexual expression&#8211;but it creates a new aesthetic space where it&#8217;s no longer enough to create the most compelling performance possible. I can only imagine the whirlwind of requirements that &#8220;good&#8221; porn producers would eventually be asked to fulfill, above and beyond merely making good film.</p>
<p>I welcome what you&#8217;re trying to accomplish, but I&#8217;m just too suspicious of an approach that would likely be interpreted in bad faith as an invitation to self-censorship, and worse.</p>
<p>P.S.: The blog is amazing. Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 22:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick

Except that there&#039;s plenty of experience that suggests that a significant number of people can&#039;t. Quite a lot of folks mimic what they see in porn because they don&#039;t know any better. I&#039;ve talked with people who tried anal sex without warmup, done high-level bondage without safety knowledge, and tried to deepthroat (or tried to get a partner to deepthroat) without knowing how to do it safely. Any of those can cause discomfort or serious damage and many of these folks have said that they were just copying what they saw in porn.

It isn&#039;t the fault of the porn industry that people are using their products as sex education. I think you &amp; I are on the same page with that. But something needs to change, somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick</p>
<p>Except that there&#8217;s plenty of experience that suggests that a significant number of people can&#8217;t. Quite a lot of folks mimic what they see in porn because they don&#8217;t know any better. I&#8217;ve talked with people who tried anal sex without warmup, done high-level bondage without safety knowledge, and tried to deepthroat (or tried to get a partner to deepthroat) without knowing how to do it safely. Any of those can cause discomfort or serious damage and many of these folks have said that they were just copying what they saw in porn.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t the fault of the porn industry that people are using their products as sex education. I think you &amp; I are on the same page with that. But something needs to change, somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 21:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If sexual negotiation and consent were more visible in general, if we had more nuanced language around it, and if we had more useful practices with respect to consent, it probably wouldn’t be a question for me.&quot;

True, but is porn the place?

Be it fighting, driving, swordplay, or gunplay, people who wish to engage responsibly are expected to inform themselves, play safely, and, most importantly, broadly disbelieve what they see in the theaters. It&#039;s only in porn where this expectation is allowed to lapse.

Stuntsmanship and proper gun use aren&#039;t visible in film, either, and it&#039;s arguable that it&#039;s far more dangerous to use your fist or your gun like an action star than it is to use your tender bits like a movie star. Why didn&#039;t Sylvester Stallone give a talk on gun cleaning after Rambo? Why didn&#039;t Jackie Chan give a talk about safe punching after Rush Hour? Because the audience is expected to have good sense, to draw an immediate distinction between reality and fantasy. 

Moreover, part of a fantastic narrative involves rendering mechanics invisible in service of story. Watching a gun cleaning or a fight rehearsal would make for a more realistic and responsible story, and an unwatchable one--something more fantastic than fantasy, an afterschool-special straightjacket of teachable moments.

We absolutely do need realistic, positive portrayals of sex--and firearms, and martial arts and the rest--but we needn&#039;t staple them onto the films. Such a dumbing-down of the genre would reinforce the worst stereotypes of the porn audience as slobbering cretins: &quot;They&#039;re so clueless on consent they need an instructional video.&quot;

We can watch Jackass responsibly, for heavens&#039; sake. We can handle porn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If sexual negotiation and consent were more visible in general, if we had more nuanced language around it, and if we had more useful practices with respect to consent, it probably wouldn’t be a question for me.&#8221;</p>
<p>True, but is porn the place?</p>
<p>Be it fighting, driving, swordplay, or gunplay, people who wish to engage responsibly are expected to inform themselves, play safely, and, most importantly, broadly disbelieve what they see in the theaters. It&#8217;s only in porn where this expectation is allowed to lapse.</p>
<p>Stuntsmanship and proper gun use aren&#8217;t visible in film, either, and it&#8217;s arguable that it&#8217;s far more dangerous to use your fist or your gun like an action star than it is to use your tender bits like a movie star. Why didn&#8217;t Sylvester Stallone give a talk on gun cleaning after Rambo? Why didn&#8217;t Jackie Chan give a talk about safe punching after Rush Hour? Because the audience is expected to have good sense, to draw an immediate distinction between reality and fantasy. </p>
<p>Moreover, part of a fantastic narrative involves rendering mechanics invisible in service of story. Watching a gun cleaning or a fight rehearsal would make for a more realistic and responsible story, and an unwatchable one&#8211;something more fantastic than fantasy, an afterschool-special straightjacket of teachable moments.</p>
<p>We absolutely do need realistic, positive portrayals of sex&#8211;and firearms, and martial arts and the rest&#8211;but we needn&#8217;t staple them onto the films. Such a dumbing-down of the genre would reinforce the worst stereotypes of the porn audience as slobbering cretins: &#8220;They&#8217;re so clueless on consent they need an instructional video.&#8221;</p>
<p>We can watch Jackass responsibly, for heavens&#8217; sake. We can handle porn.</p>
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		<title>By: Quizzical mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quizzical mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this very interesting post. In my book &quot;New porn. By women, for women and men&quot; I provide criteria with which to evaluate quality in porn films, in many ways expanding on the ones you articulate here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this very interesting post. In my book &#8220;New porn. By women, for women and men&#8221; I provide criteria with which to evaluate quality in porn films, in many ways expanding on the ones you articulate here.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 18:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/libya_shuts_down_vbly_bitly_owly_next.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Violet&#039;s URL shortener got kicked out of Libya&lt;/a&gt;, so she she had to move it. The correct link is &lt;a href=&quot;http://vbly.us/z07db&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://vbly.us/z07db&lt;/a&gt; which &lt;a href=&quot;http://zocalopublicsquare.org/fullVideo.php?event_year=2007&amp;event_id=4&amp;video=&amp;page=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;goes here, BTW&lt;/a&gt;. I&#039;ve also fixed it in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/07/7-ways-to-create-a-sex-positive-critique-of-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2489&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;original comment&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/libya_shuts_down_vbly_bitly_owly_next.php" rel="nofollow">Violet&#8217;s URL shortener got kicked out of Libya</a>, so she she had to move it. The correct link is <a href="http://vbly.us/z07db" rel="nofollow">http://vbly.us/z07db</a> which <a href="http://zocalopublicsquare.org/fullVideo.php?event_year=2007&amp;event_id=4&amp;video=&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">goes here, BTW</a>. I&#8217;ve also fixed it in the <a href="http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/07/7-ways-to-create-a-sex-positive-critique-of-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2489" rel="nofollow">original comment</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Let&#8217;s Talk About Extreme Porn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let&#8217;s Talk About Extreme Porn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 00:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The problem occurs when no context for the extreme sex acts is provided &#8211; there&#8217;s no indication that it&#8217;s a fantasy, no way of knowing if the performers were willing participants or if they enjoyed themselves. This is bad porn. If you don&#8217;t know that rough sex (for example) is a kink performed consensually, you might form the wrong idea about what it all means and it may negatively affect your sexual attitudes. I recommend Charlie Glickman&#8217;s discussion of bad porn for a further elaboration on this point. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The problem occurs when no context for the extreme sex acts is provided &#8211; there&#8217;s no indication that it&#8217;s a fantasy, no way of knowing if the performers were willing participants or if they enjoyed themselves. This is bad porn. If you don&#8217;t know that rough sex (for example) is a kink performed consensually, you might form the wrong idea about what it all means and it may negatively affect your sexual attitudes. I recommend Charlie Glickman&#8217;s discussion of bad porn for a further elaboration on this point. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ruby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this article, I found it very thought provoking and has helped me clarify some of my own confused thoughts on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this article, I found it very thought provoking and has helped me clarify some of my own confused thoughts on the subject.</p>
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